hello, a quick question that came to find and couldn't find easy answer using google so i'ma try here.. so: was the doctrine of trinity decided to be a christian doctrine by the same people who chose which books to include in the bible?
i vaguely remember that both of these subjects were decided at the first council of nicaea.
if this is not the case, then when, where and by whom were these things decided?.
Hello, a quick question that came to find and couldn't find easy answer using google so I'ma try here.
So: Was the doctrine of trinity decided to be a christian doctrine by the same people who chose which books to include in the bible? I vaguely remember that both of these subjects were decided at the first council of Nicaea. If this is not the case, then when, where and by whom were these things decided?
a situation regarding this religion has developed which i fear might have negative implications on me and wifes lives, and i'm looking for thoughts and advice in how to approach the situation.
i'll start with some background information to enlighten the situation.. i'm a male in mid-twenties, raised secularly, married to an ex-jw woman (on paper still a jw though), who's been raised in the jw religion, although somewhat untheocratically shall i say.
for instance her mother has 5 children with 3 different men, all non-jws, and has had many other relationships as well.
Maksutov – I don't expect JWs to behave rationally, I learned that when my wife was mentally still in. I do however expect that someone thats never been a JW, thus having no emotional attatchments to the religion, to be interested enough to do some basic research on the subject if he has a loved one with heavy affiliations with the religion.
And I also expect that any outsider with half a brain and even a touch of honesty, regardless of whatever hardships he/she maybe facing, will see the self-evident; its a cult. A lie. Failed predictions, lying about its own history, lying about scientific research(ers), lying about other religions, denying real phenomena, harmful and dangerous policies – if this isn't an obvious hoax then I don't know what is.
From a JW i would expect denial and spinning issues but not from an outsider – just look at how many hours it takes on average for the preaching work to convert one person. Maybe it's just me but I can't understand how people would not care if what they believe isn' true, especially if affects just about every aspect of their life.
And I know too that you can't force anyone to think – learned that the hard way as well. Still it's a shame to see people succumb to this madness.
Millie – You slightly misread me. My wife is mentally out but hasnt DA'd herself. Her issues have been usually related to how the religion has affected her self-esteem, her look on life and natural phenomena etc.
timelord – She has read a lot of critical stuff about WTBTS and is fully aware of the true nature of the corporation. And so have I. I got most of that stuff tattooed into my memory as I've probably spent in the thousands of hours studying JW material and history. But thanks, think I'll re-read certain jwfacts sections.
John Aquila – Again, I do completely understand the power of mind control, but that a male in his twenties (who certainly can use google!) would fail to see WTBTS true nature is a fact I have a hard time wrapping my brain around.
Londo111 – Thanks for the advice. I do know Steven Hassans books well, though I didn't find that book in my native language few years ago when I looked.
a situation regarding this religion has developed which i fear might have negative implications on me and wifes lives, and i'm looking for thoughts and advice in how to approach the situation.
i'll start with some background information to enlighten the situation.. i'm a male in mid-twenties, raised secularly, married to an ex-jw woman (on paper still a jw though), who's been raised in the jw religion, although somewhat untheocratically shall i say.
for instance her mother has 5 children with 3 different men, all non-jws, and has had many other relationships as well.
Greetings,
A situation regarding this religion has developed which i fear might have negative implications on me and wifes lives, and I'm looking for thoughts and advice in how to approach the situation. I'll start with some background information to enlighten the situation.
I'm a male in mid-twenties, raised secularly, married to an ex-JW woman (on paper still a JW though), who's been raised in the JW religion, although somewhat ”untheocratically” shall i say.
For instance her mother has 5 children with 3 different men, all non-JWs, and has had many other relationships as well.
They've semi-celebrated xmas and birthdays too, have been to classmates birthday parties, have been allowed non-JW association etc. etc.
Still they've been taught all the JW crap from the cradle, and the family has been from completely inactive to regularly active, it has varied quite a lot during the years.
At the moment her mother is just about completely inactive as a JW, and my wife has been able to openly discuss her issues about the religion with her. Her mother is still mentally in at some level, I'm sure of it. Of her siblings none are currently affiliated with JW religion afaik; her oldest brother is in a relationship with non-JW woman, and her 2 youngest siblings lead completely secular life as well (afaik).
The recent development with her oldest sister is very surprising considering her history and current situation. She was very against the JW religion fiveish years ago, called it bullshit and such. She was about twenty when she had her child with a non-JW man, and they've been thriving ever since afaik.
Recently I heard through my wife from her sisters non-JW man that they've had witnesses over at their house, and are going to the convention this weekend, and overall it seemed that THEY BOTH would actually be beginning to believe that piece of shit of a religion to be legitimate.
What astonishes me is how the fuck can something like this happen? If she's had beef with the religion, wouldn't the first thing one would do is simply google it? Not to speak of her husband, who has never had any affiliation with the religion whatsoever?
It took me less than five minutes of googling to determine that there isn't a slightest chance thas this religion has even the slightest bit of truth in it. Mustn't he have done that too, when he heard her girlfriend was raised as a JW? And with a child coming, wouldn't that be even more of an incentive to read and learn about the JW religion?
What I fear is that they really GET involved in the JW religion (got to feel sorry for their little boy), and that that has a snowball effect on the family and drags her mother back into that hellhole, possibly even other siblings. That would certainly make them pressure my wife back to Jwism , something she does NOT need, she's suffered enough because of that crap. Because let's be honest, that's what's going to happen if the WTBTS gets full control over her family.
So there it is. Was relieving to get this out of my system. Any advice appreciated.
if anyone was under the illusion that all baptized jw children become dedicated solely of their own volition, then hopefully this new video should be a wake-up call.. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plgbjdgoj-u.
(unfortunately, due to the soundtrack i've chosen, this video is apparently banned in germany.
I would need to show this to a JW - but i can't access it on youtube, and proxy servers wont let me see the videos.
Can someone please upload this speech to another place?
so the local jc decided to df my girlfriend because of basically premarital sex.. she confessed few weeks back to the elders, and the judicial system had its wheels rolling.. they confronted her today, and eventually came to the conclusion described above.. .
she told them that she regretted our sexual acts, and that we wouldn't perform that kind of actions before we're married.. they talked with her about getting married etc.
a week before the jc.. now the reason they decided to df her was not the sexual acts itself, nor the lack of regret,.
Cagefighter, what I meant to say was that she won't leave me for the sake of me not beeing a JW.
Ofc i cannot say this with a hundred percent certainty, it's a matter of trust.
so the local jc decided to df my girlfriend because of basically premarital sex.. she confessed few weeks back to the elders, and the judicial system had its wheels rolling.. they confronted her today, and eventually came to the conclusion described above.. .
she told them that she regretted our sexual acts, and that we wouldn't perform that kind of actions before we're married.. they talked with her about getting married etc.
a week before the jc.. now the reason they decided to df her was not the sexual acts itself, nor the lack of regret,.
So the local JC decided to DF my girlfriend because of basically premarital sex.
She confessed few weeks back to the elders, and the judicial system had its wheels rolling.
They confronted her today, and eventually came to the conclusion described above.
She told them that she regretted our sexual acts, and that we wouldn't perform that kind of actions before we're married.
They talked with her about getting married etc. a week before the JC.
Now the reason they decided to DF her was not the sexual acts itself, nor the lack of regret,
but apparently the fact that "she hadn't made any decisions".
Evidently they would've wanted a date for our marriage, or to know that she would leave me (not going to happen).
They didn't even tell her that they would require that sort of decisions.
Question: Why isn't regret enough for being forgiven? Is this really legit WTBTS-policy? Can they really do this?
I thought that regret was defining for what kind of action was taken on such matters. I remember watching a documentary,
where a JW-man dated a non-JW girl and they had premarital sex. The man was given 3 choices: Marriage, having sex must stop
or DA himself. Is this kind of policy outdated, are females treated differently on these kind of matters, or is this particular
JC overstepping its limits?
i remember reading an article, maybe from the 70's not sure, where wtbts condemned people who misquote people for their own purposes.. i'd be thankful if anyones remembers this and could post it here..
I remember reading an article, maybe from the 70's not sure, where WTBTS condemned people who misquote people for their own purposes.
I'd be thankful if anyones remembers this and could post it here.
does anybody have a audio file or a transcript of this convetion?.
Does anybody have a audio file or a transcript of this convetion?
from what i understand is, that the wtbts isn't funded by (any?
) government(s).. this would be very understandable, in order to get money from a government, they would probably need to open their books,.
what i would like know is: has the wtbts appealed for government money?
From what I understand is, that the WTBTS isn't funded by (any?) government(s).
This would be very understandable, in order to get money from a government, they would probably need to open their books,
at least regarding their using of money.
What I would like know is: Has the WTBTS appealed for government money? This would too be very understanable as they
need any money they can get. If they have; I'd like to know when and to what country. Thanks in advance.
when literature used to be sold d2d, i remember how the society never missed an opportunity to trash other religions for "peddling god's word for profit" while boasting about how the watchtower only charges for the cost of the paper and ink.. in the book "witnesses of jehovah", the author mentioned that randall watters used to be involved in print cost analysis and determined that, while we were selling wt & awake mags for 20 cents door-to-door, it was really only costing the society 4 cents per copy to produce.
that's a whopping 400% profit!.
obviously, things have changed... the paper is different, as well as the ink and printing methods in general.
" Three months later, the elders received a letter from the Society. It basically stated that they [the Society] noticed an enormous increase in literature orders. That the congregation had made purchases of some $3,000.00 and our donations were only somehere around $500.00. They told us we [the congregation] owed the Society $2,300.00."
Dogpatch, do you have this letter? I would be very thankful for a scan.
